Talk:Gamers Are Dead

Article needs substantial rewriting.


 * claims initially that the publication was simultaneous; this contradicts the dates given in the table. Dan Golding's piece also appears to have been published on the 27th, not the 28th. The articles appear to have been published over the span of a few days, not simultaneously.
 * claims that the articles were coordinated on GJPs. Many authors were not on the list of GJP members, and GG-friendly GJP members have not leaked any e-mails that demonstrate this collusion. With so much of the assertions of corruption and collusion being contingent on this claim, it needs substantial verification. That is currently missing.
 * provides a very one-sided narrative: many gamers weren't offended by the articles, and even believe that what they say contains substantial truth.


 * I'm a little bit uneducated on this particular subject, but I do think you need to somewhat substantiate your arguments. From what I'm seeing in the table, all articles except for Smith's came out on the 28th of August. As for Golding's piece, I went to the archived link of his post and saw that it was posted on the 28th. I went directly to the tumblr post and saw the same date, so I'm not sure why you say it was published on the 27th. Maybe because I'm in Israel I see a different time zone than the one seen in America, but this is only a guess on my part, it would be of help if you would clarify this matter. Seeing that nine ouf of ten articles were published on the same day, I think it's fair to say that the publication of the articles was simultaneous, or by the very least near-simultaneous.


 * As to your second point, I do think that your objections have some merit. Unless some game journalism insider will come out and outright say that the "gamers are dead" article were coordinated, it would be impossible to prove such a thing. With that being said, the way the sistuation is described by other people in GG does raies some suspicions. Supposedly, the parallels between these various articles are striking. If this is indeed the case (I'm planning on reading those articles later on to see whether or not this claim is true) than we have to ask how so many similar articles were published within less than a day. Maybe instead of saying that these articles were definitely coordinated, it would be better to say that there are good reasons to suspect that this is indeed the case. Note that for now I'm not taking a stand on this issue, just raising a few points. I'm not necessarily saying that you're wrong. - Rust Cohle (talk) 21:32, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Should we expand on the other articles that were dropped shortly after the first wave? I know there were a handful that aren't considered the "core" articles but parrot the same ideas around the same week. --SoggyKnees (talk) 18:47, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
 * http://loyaltothegank.com/the-gamers-are-dead-articles/ https://archive.today/fSGpr --SoggyKnees (talk) 13:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Were Destructoid involved in the "Gamers are Dead" articles? 173.245.53.248 16:57, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * http://archive.today/20141110191309/http://www.destructoid.com/why-does-the-term-gamer-feel-important--280451.phtml --SoggyKnees (talk) 09:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

First sentence mentions eleven articles. Rest only talks about ten. Should be revised to be consistent.

Probably needs some DIGRA links as well. Most of the justification came from Adrian Shaws research. Army Guy (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Dump of Stuff
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-GzdKKCYAAN8QX.jpg

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- CrazedMan (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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- CrazedMan (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

On "Gamers"

- CrazedMan (talk) 05:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

The gender inequality in core gaming is worse than you think

- CrazedMan (talk) 09:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Mod debacle on steam
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- CrazedMan (talk) 05:17, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Facing extreme abuse, Skyrim modders defend paid work

- CrazedMan (talk) 13:21, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Paid Steam Mod Fiasco Demonstrates Valve’s Need To Grow Up

- CrazedMan (talk) 13:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Valve shuts down paid 'mod' system

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- CrazedMan (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Some People Are Pissed That Skyrim's Paid Mods Are Gone

- CrazedMan (talk) 11:13, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Weasel words everywhere
'It is suspected by many..', 'Many gamers were outraged', ' perceived by many gamers', 'Many view the articles' -- there's so many `many's`. Such broad statements detract from the academic tone and even worse are unsourced, making them nothing but baseless speculation. I started editing this but after 10 mins realized that I won't be able to do it withouth completely butchering the article.

Please, somebody who actually knows where these `many's` come from, provide sources and more precise numbers.

--141.101.88.165 11:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)